michael cohen sentencing memo, the government s writing and alkugs before the judge then candidate druch direct add criminal conspiracy that results in the person he paid to do the crimes pleading to a felony and doing jail time. donald trump paid michael cohen to do a criminal. michael cohen is now in jail for said crime. donald trump is the president in the white house. so that s the country we now live in apparently thanks to a legal memo written in 1973 that basically says if you are the president they let you do it. joining me for more on the possible legal questions surrounding the president carolyn lamb form u.s. forefor the southern district of california. and the executive producer of the talking feds podcast. let s start with the counterfactual here, carol. if donald trump is just donald trump, the ceo of trump organize or let s say he lost the election after the same set of facts and now a private citizen,