and washington correspondent, glen rush is back. former assistant director for the fbi, frank luzzi is here. and glen kirshner is here with us. let me start with you, glen kirshner, as the first person that i put on the spot as a reader of tea leaves. what do you sense based on the reporting that carol glen s reporting is doing, for prosecutors and the possible indictment? timing is tough to say. given that a target letter has the been delivered to donald trump, that s a sure sign that the prosecutors are close to asking the grand jury to vote on charges. can i say lol by mark meadows made my blood boil. if you can t have fun at the expressed bill of the voters,
that exposes you. it s helpful to look at the lens of a grand jury. either or the fulton county grand jury or jack smith s grand jury in d.c. it s not unusual for grand jurors to engage in dialogue and ask questions. i find it hard to envision a scenario where grand juror doesn t raise their hand and say why aren t we indicting this guy, meadows? are we doing that? have we gotten to that point yet? is that tomorrow? all of the evidence is showing he is engaging in a crime. he falls for anything. and he stands for nothing and has himself jammed up. i think criminal. carol, the reporting does a great job of reminding what the break with trump was.
out of difficult witnesses. we re in a guessing game of what is mark meadows status. carol, this gives us a body of things to chew on. everyone else sticks around. we ll dave into glenn s reporting from over the weekend when we come back. much more on the top story. the new york times reporting, dubbing it the trump tax. the incalculable cost of law enforcement against him and his attacks. plus, even though mobs went to the u.s. capitol, chanting hang mike pence, the former vice president, mike pence, says that the actions that day of the man who assembled the mob, the ex-president, the guy who made him run down the scares, were not crimes. really? later in the program, the devastating price of ron desantis opposition to covid vaccines. new reporting shows that the florida governor s disinformation could have led to