really it was them who did all of this and most of the damage and they are trying to hide it. they definitely used excessive force. definitely. reporter: scanner traffic showed police tried to get a handle on how many bystanders were shot. we have a man down at the delores hotel. reporter: that man was sedrick perkins. i seen the blood and realized i was shot. reporter: and that was carlson st. louis. where were you sitting? right over here? right over here. i knew something was wrong when i fell. that s when i saw bullet wounds and blood rushing out of my head. reporter: carlson has a metal rod and screws holding his hip together. perkins still has a bullet lodged in his chest. it feels like an ongoing