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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240604 00:04:00

and fox and many others claiming the papers he was waving around and had on his desk were not classified. he called it to some bravado to some reporters on his plane. with the new charges it is clear not only does jack smith know the former president was showing a classified document, they likely have the document. thesuperseding document includes charges against a third person, carlos deolivero. his indictment ties back to the new obstruction charges against the former president. so the former president according to this not just involved his valet nauta to move boxes and do other things, he also involved the head of maintenance there. in one instance, the indictment lays out a timeline in late june of last year detailing how the government believes the now three indicted men, nauta, oliveira and the former president, who have now all been indicted in this documents case, that they tried to delete security camera footage that had

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240604 00:09:00

information to reporters. the fact that they have signals communication would seem to indicate that somebody on that signals communication handed some of that stuff over. that s right. we know that on that communication was nauta as well as another employee of mar-a-lago. and someone who is identified as a pac representative. previously we ve reported that this is a person who was a political action committee representative who was essentially in trump s orbit. and so that we know, that person was also privy to somebody s communications. we know, anderson, that the fbi seized de oliveira s phone. we also know that they have the communications from other employees who turned them over. and that pac representative, isn t she the one who the former president allegedly showed another classified or sensitive document to a map? . that is correct. the alleged the allegation is that trump also showed her what is believed to be a classified

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240604 00:44:00

draft indictment with the grand jurors. i imagine this is going to be a voluminous speaking indictment, just simply to go through what the allegations are with the grand jurors, and talk to them what the law is going to take a considerable amount of time. my understanding is there were no witnesses seen going into the grand jury. it was just the prosecutors and the grand jurors which suggests to me it could have been time used to present the proposed indictment. i suspect if it s not already a true bill and the indictment hasn t already been voted by the grand jury by the end of their session today, perhaps they ll be called back tomorrow or perhaps tuesday. carrie, i want to go back to the indictment that we did get today in the documents cases and the new charges. given new charges, given a new person involved in this, oli oliveira, does that affect the timeline? the judge d a set a pay timelin for a trial. do you think the movement on

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240604 00:31:00

him saying all these things were declassified, he himself in that audio recording points out this was a classified document, and he doesn t have the power to declassify it. so he himself stepped on his own lies which were the initial response to these charges and to the search warrant. the you mentioned oliveira, who told another trump employee that, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted and attempted to do that. how problematic do you think that is for the former president? well, i think it s very problematic, that you have yet another person implicated, someone who apparently had a direct conversation with the president and then relates that conversation to a third person. who sounds like they are cooperating with the authorities. so it s i think very damning. what i also found striking, anderson, was this conversation where the president wants to

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240604 00:29:00

testimony of one witness himself who was a criminal. this indictment is based on text, whatsapp messages, photos, audio recordings and testimony from a lot of witnesses who are lay witnesses, who are not themselves involved in criminality. that is a really tough case to beat. everyone stay with us. i m joined by democratic congressman adam schiff, who managed the first impeachment against the former president, was a member of the house select committee on january 6th. congressman schiff, your reaction to the news the former president is now facing additional charges and a third person involved. well, the evidence was already strong in the original indictment. but in this superseding indictment now, you just see how much more evidence the special counsel has. you know, there are evidently cooperating witnesses. there is surveillance footage of some of the figures in this new superseding indictment, including de oliveira meeting surreptitiously with others. some night meetings, morni

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