So, gary, paul is a lebaneseamerican and nature writer of 30 books, a franciscan brother and a contemplative garden designer. Hes received Macarthur Fellowship and the land literary award for nonfiction, and he was included in book me readers list of visionaries changing the world. His latest book, the current book here that its a pleasure to read and itll help you to understand more about it gave him a scout killer all year. Its called the garbage spirits. The past present and future of moscone. And before we go into it a little further, gary, i want to i want to ive learned so much reading the book and reading about you and meeting with you. And you have, you know, tons of knowledge, but how did you get from in your at becoming an ethnobotanist botanist and studying native plants and then moving towards a god . What was that trip for you . Well, thats a great question and i think the easiest way to sum it up is that i was very interested in local food when was younger. And as i got o
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