today. you wonder if these people were not in the positions they were at the time, what would have heaped to democracy, wolf? these top-former doj officials described how they were essentially the guardians of democracy. relentlessly pressured by the former president of the united states, donald trump, to use the power of doj to overturn the election results even after doj had investigated the fraud and found there was no widespread fraud. he here is a clip of the remarkable exchange former acting attorney general jeff rosen described in talking to trump during that time. you also noted that mr. rosen said to mr. trump, quote, doj can t and won t snap its fingers and change the outcome of the location. how did the president respond to that, sir? he responded very quickly, and said essentially that s not what i am asking you to do. what i am just asking you to do is just say it was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen. reporter: and when it
mention of the urgency of the case i thought was interesting. usually officials will say, we ll investigate as long as it takes. we ll take the facts wherever they go. he used the word urgent today and i think that does play into the timing that elie is describing. i think the idea is you can t have exception to all law because someone decides to run for president. that can t be a two-year get out of jail free, for lack of a better term. great discussion. thank you all very much. coming up, legendary journalist carl bern teen joins us to discuss this moment that we re in, where a former president is running for the white house and is now under the lens of a special counsel who could potentially potentially bring charges during a campaign. and later, a sneak peek at a cnn special airing sunday night, former first lady michelle obama and others join sara sidner to discuss their struggles with
leadership. every single aide will walk out on you. your entire department leadership will walk out within hours and i don t know what happens after that. i don t know what the united states attorneys are going to do. we have u.s. attorneys in districts across the country. and my guess would be that many of them would have resigned. joining us now, the veteran journalist, bob bwoodward and carl bern teen whose amazing reporting uncovered the water date scandal. carl, let me start with i. how close did the country come to what many of us remember, a saturday-night massacre? the parallel is striking, except this is worse than the saturday-night mass cacre. in the saturday night massacre, president nixon attempted to shut down investigation of the white house. here, we see something much more egrievous. an attempt by the president of the united states to totally urnd undermine and structure and law put forward by the justice department of a plot, a coup plot to overturn the
trauma in a way and obviously, that trauma means different things to different members of different political tribes in our country but more or less everybody can agree it was a wrenching day. you said at the end what i was going to say. i think politically maybe we re not we haven t moved the needle was not moved. but i think is i know personally i m different after listening to her and listening to him especially growing up. i m the same age. i graduated high school in 1984. i know those characters. i could see her part of her story, i could see part of his story. i can relate to her story being a survivor. i can relate to his story because i grew up in the time he grew up with a lot of those people who were printed in the summer, all they did was boat and played tennis all the time and belonged to clubs. none of which i had the privilege of doing. but i can relate to it. but i feel that i m altered and she broke the dam. carl, go ahead. i feel mournful after
perjured himself. it gave an opening to the republicans to focus on feinstein and timing. that s all they focused on which took it away. dr. ford s allegation and her experience shouldn t have got caught up in the political malpractice if you want to call it by the democrats because of the timing. but that shouldn t diminish what she went through. but that s all they focused on today. that s all they had. carl, considering what alan dershowitz said about the investigation, what happens next? allan is saying exactly what we have been saying here tonight. it s a big deal that alan dershowitz who has been on the other side of a lot of things having to do with the president said what he did and brings his legal experience to the argument. but there s one other aspect that we got to look at. this is still a chance at redemption for our system. we have four senators perhaps who can show profiles in courage