demanding. mulvaney later walked that back and said he never said it. another person schumer wants to hear from is john bolton. he was the former security adviser to president trump and would have been privy to a number of these conversations about how the president wanted to deal with ukraine and why they were holding up this money and this white house meeting. again, he s asked to testify. next up is robert blair. he was a close adviser to mick mulvaney. he came over to the white house and he was present in these discussions about holding up money. the last person on this list is michael duffey, someone else who has refused to testify in the house proceedings. he s a current omb official, and he was in an odd position because he was a political appointee who helped hold back this money for ukraine. normally that s a job reserved for career staffers, again, someone we have not heard from. none of these folks are going to show up willingly. they re all hiding behind this white house de
with erdogen he might not have given away as much as he did. you can move policy by being this. many times the national security person wrote a note and gave it to the president. the president would read it and adjust and it would be a better call. there were people on the zelensk y zelensky call who are career staffers before the president like alexander vindman. a guy who spoke the language, lit ral literally and that allowed him to say this during the impeachment hearings. i was concerned by the call. what i heard was inappropriate. i reported my concerns to mr. i
lieutenant corner alex vindman raised concerns about the president s call to the ukrainian president, later testified to congress about it, the white house now excludes career staffers and detailees we ve learned whose roles include taking notes and providing edits to the eventual transcripts of the conversations meant to clarify what was said and also heavily involved in policymaking. now, brooke, only a handful of political officials listen in. i spoke with one who called this extreme restriction the vindman rule. the president seemed to mock alex vrindman in the oval offic calling him another beauty also saying he verified the vindman transcript. vindman told congress, substantively correct but certain words were missing. pamela brown, thank you. meantime, first lady s spokeswoman responding to the first lady s silence on greta thunberg. a student, musician and aspiring
holding up and putting in a former trump appointee. putting that guy in charge of disbursing the money instead of the technokrats that do that stuff, that replacement, taking the career guy out, putting the political guy in, that appears to have been an effort to seamlessly continue to carry out this order of the president to withhold the aid despite the expressed belief by the senior staff at the agency that those orders from the president were illegal. if you ve got career staffers who are starting to skeek whether or not they re going to carry out this order, you may want to get them out of the way, put in someone who s not going to squeak. we now know that that was the order of events, and we now know there is an overt paper trail for all of it, that s the other thing that s new here tonight. question, did you hear of any
questioning the aid to ukraine and ordering the hold. at least two officials resigned over it. multiple officials overtly expressed that the hold might be illegal, including telling the guy that the guy they were telling to signed the paperwork, to implement the hold. he s one of the people that told them, this may be an illegal thing you re asking me to do. i think we should bring this to the lawyers, in response, that guy was replaced by a trump apointee who said this was the president s wish, who ordered it done and had been advised by the career staffers this may be an illegal thing. and there is a paper trail for all of these pieces of the process. there s a million instances like this just in this one deposition that was released tonight. but just look at them? there s a million inning