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ambassador to the u.n. nancy soderberg, she also served as deputy national security adviser to president clinton and was the third ranked at the national security council, the heart of policy making at the white house. with those credentials i very much welcome you. i know that you ve met marie yovanovitch, as you watched this, what struck but the way she handled this very awkward position in which she was put? well thanks for having me. i think ambassador yovanovitch epitomizes the best of our foreign service. who get up every day, do a job and defend the constitution and what you re seeing is this parade of career patriots, really. stating the facts as they see them. they re refusing to fall into this false narrative being put forward by the president and his supporters. and they re just stating the facts. and i think the republicans are going to have to decide are they going to continue to try and obfuscate, or are they going to just eventually have to say, it
the military with no motivation or reason to lie. they all seem to be telling pieces of the same story. that s right, brian. and what s so significant, i think, today about the testimony of ambassador sondland is he s not one of these career patriots. that s right. he s not somebody that trump can say was from the deep state or a never trumper to use the president s phrase. but he s a political appointee. he gave a ton of money to the trump campaign in 2016. he s been supporting the president. he wanted a job in the administration, and he was rewarded with this ambassadorship. and in his testimony, his initial testimony a week or two ago, he actually spoke in a way that helped the president. he was defending the president s integrity and motivations and so forth, and for him to make this correction to point out the quid pro quo, to acknowledge the quid pro quo that the president and his aides have been denying all this time is really extraordinary because of his political identit
politico s playbook. glenn, you build prosecution cases for a living. look at the democrats plan, specifically using vindman, taylor and yovanovitch as their key witnesses. what do you think. steph, they must have some pretty good prosecutors advising them on tactics, because here s why. when we investigate cases, we investigate expansively, and that results in us running down a lot of dead end alleys, talking with a lot of knucklehead witnesses. but then once you prove the case in court or in an impeachment hearing, you want to prove the case narrowly. so, i think what the house is doing is exactly right tactically, because think about it, if you put like a corey lewandowski on the stand, he s not going to persuade the people of anything. i mean, if he tells me his name is corey lewandowski, i want to see his driver s license as corroboration. we saw his clownish performance, but once the american people get to see career patriots who really are law-abiding, they
it s not a legitimate interest, it s a corrupt one. there s one aspect i thought ambassador sodenberg was interesting, the way he phrased it, we ve been talking about manufacturing dirt on a political opponent, but vindman put it wasn t in terms as meddling in the election, but it was just improper to have a foreign government set its sights on an american citizen. if an american citizen committed some intraction that s a problem for american law enforcement but of course there s no predicate for investigation. what do you think about that framing? first of all vindman was an incredible incredibly credible individual who got up there and said that. and i think what you re seeing and the big picture here is the president welcoming meddling of the russians here, bringing in outside people to try to impugn the reputation of the united states and set aside the career patriots of our country where
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