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polls, but on telephone polls, which is a different segment of the electorate, he is sometimes in seventh place, or in sixth place. so far behind a lot of the others in the pack. and iowa itself, it found that ron was behind trump, desantis, and senator tim scott, so not really leading that much in iowa, which of course, the reason that iowa is so key again is because it is the first s state, it s a state where a candidate like ron can try to win and re-set the narrative about whether or not the former president trump can win the nomination. speaking of re-setting, one person who seems to be re-setting his campaign is desantis, and you said you re skeptical that this, the iowa state fair will necessarily provide a break through, but you could argue perhaps, no one needs it more than desantis. that s right. he definitely need it.