they look at the next rung, they view power vertically. women, and i have asked hundreds of women and probably at this point, hundreds of men, how do you view power. women tend to view power horizontally. which means what? it s all about influence. it s all about having an influence, not necessarily just getting the next job, but being effective broadly. it s what causes a lot of women to drop out of corporate america because they don t feel fulfilled just by getting that promotion or a big pay raise. what we see sheryl sandberg doing right now is a reflection of that. she s not satisfied being coo of facebook. she wants to do something more. she s looking at her power horizontally. she s also got i think kind of a tough message which is that she was speaking to a group of harvard business school students and she bluntly said, you know, a third of you women will not be working in ten years from now and the rest of you will actually be working for the guy
what do you think of that notion, that women are holding themselves back? well, i think what cheryl sandberg is saying is that, essentially, women have internalized some of the messages that they ve been given as young as little girls, when we call girls bossy for their behavior. a sign, essentially, a negative term for their behavior. i think there s some truth to it. i thinks there somewhat of an ambition gap. patty, there s a lot of backlash against her for this. there is. there are two points of view. one is that it s the institution s fault. the other view is, which is cheryl s view, it s our fault. and there s a polarization here, that s happening, and cheryl is saying, i m taking the braver point of view. the more the more difficult case to make, which is that, let s blame ourselves. she s brave. do you think there would have been this backlash, though, if a man had written this book and said this about men? do you think there would have been the same kind of backlas
have the same qualifications for a job as a woman does, which may not be enough to get that promotion. a man will put himself out there. a woman will say, i need to i need to be more ready. i think it s an incredible argument to be having right now, because i think women are at a turning point. you have 30 years, women have been going, getting more college degrees than men, for 30 years, anderson. women are now getting more phds than men, more medical agrees, more law degrees. we re at this turning point, and yet there are so few women in leadership positions. so cheryl sandberg is saying, why is that? and she is putting the onus on women themselves. and what i ve heard from, you know, girlfriends and other moms, there s a very strong reaction to what she s saying. a very strong reaction. because a lot of people say, i can t be sheryl sandberg. she s not trying to say that, be like me. but i think she has embodied this message. and i think the other thing i find interesting about s
catholics have come from all over the globe to drink in this moment, feel the buzz, and ultimately witness the outcome. what they cannot do, what no one can, including 5,600 tv and print reporters that have gathered here is actually see the process in action. only a very few inside the vatican will be privy to any of it. and only 115 men, 115 cardinal electors, will take part. reporter: it s already tuesday in vatican city, where later today, 115 cardinals from around the world will enter the sistine chapel, charged with electing the next pope. after the first vote tuesday afternoon, all eyes in st. peters will be focused on this newly installed chimney. a puff of white smoke signaling a new pope has been chosen. but what will guide the cardinals in their decision? eight years ago after the death of pope john paul ii, then cardinal joseph ratzinger was the clear front-runner to become the next pope. this time around, however, there is not one clear front-runner. there are deep divisi
seen coming from the chimney of the sistine chapel indicating that a new pope has not yet been elected. after taking an oath of secrecy, the 115 cardinal electors locked themselves inside the chapel earlier today and began their deliberations. an american cardinal sean o malley of boston is getting a lot of support from latin american cardinals who think their part of the world has been ignored by rome. this as american catholics increasingly express their desire for a more open and contemporary church. a new washington post /abc news poll reveals 55% of them believe priests should be allowed to marry. and 58% say it s time to allow women to join the priesthood. chris jansing, host of msnbc s jansing & co joins us live again from rome. chris, in addition to ardcardin o malley, new york s archbishop, timothy dolan is attracting