shutdown is actually today, but because the president gave christmas eve as a holiday as well. we will see what sort of pain comes, but i think they end up at 3.3 billion. doug: isn t it ridiculous, the whole thing? the shutdown, the fight, isn t it the worst? tom: i don t know if it s ridiculous. i told think it s fair for the president to throw a temper tantrum to give me your 5 billion are knocking to get your government back. doug: to me, it s a bad mistake politically. we will see. we will come back and talk about umass amherst taking campus pc to a new level after asking a student to remove a sign condemning nazis. wait until you hear why next. en. zicam is completely different.