candidate, too. you need the product, not just the deliverance of the product and, the operation to bring voters. it all has to work together. it s a long part of this campaign. the bigger point is, he was fishing in trump s pond, and that was when you are working for the candidates, do you call them the product? it s curious. only on the fact when i m on national television. we re taking a quick break to fact check what we saw tonight at this debates, and perspective from jeff zeleny who s been on the campaign trail nonstop, be right back.