general because he was an attorney general. at this point, in trump s washington, you know, that goes for a lot. at least he s not judge piro. whittaker. or the one who s in office. judge sessions. again, donald trump s the only guy who can make jeff sessions look like oliver wendall holmes that he may have done. i think it s fascinating because all these tributaries will come rolling into the same place, russia, mueller, stuff we don t know about, the campaign stuff. i think it s a fascinating moment about presidential power. i understand the basic idea you can t indict a president and it would be a political target and be constant. is someone really above the law, saying you can t indict and wait until after he s gone, out of
stuff. you wouldn t need to lie about it. you might mention, yeah, i sent this to that e-mail, promotional materials. you might even say i referred to all kinds of campaign stuff, but there was nothing wrong with it. what does it seem to tell you this sophisticated international operator, even after flipping, according to mueller, and that s the allegation, wanted to commit a new crime and hide the fact that he had given off this polling? well, you know, when you re dealing with things coming out of the mueller investigation, you have to do intelligence analysis like i m trying to do. mueller is like a black hole in space. and we re seeing with all of these filings, these little bits of data, we re seeing things pulled to the center, and we know something is there that has a gravity of force greater than all the rest. and by seeing that, by seeing what we what little we know right now, we can see that manafort feels that he has to hide this information away from the special counsel
start talking about it now. it s fine to start talking about it now, but the point is to win in 2020 we better be talking about things that everybody relates to that, that everybody is worried about and really those economic issues that are keeping people awake at night. now you get to do whatever you want. i can do whatever i want, and my mouth s has gotten me in some trouble and i figure i can take it to new heights now. and thanks for being a public servant for all these years and so much fun to talk to along with being so serious about your work. that does for us tonight. we ll see you again tomorrow. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, rachel. and i met claire mccaskill i think right at the beginning of her senate campaign, probably right before she formally announced it and what she wanted to talk to me about was how the senate worked. she didn t want to talk about campaign stuff, poll, how you re going to do it. she was looking forw
to talk to me about was how the senate worked. she didn t want to talk about campaign stuff, poll, how you re going to do it. she was looking forward to when she got the job, what is the best way to do that job. and i have to say when i do meet politicians who are on the way to running or who are running and that s what they want to talk about, that s what impresses me the most. a, it s rare, b, it s impressive, and c, it tells you to like keep your eyes open because they re going to get stuff done. and she just proved which actually is most senators most senators do not think of running for president. it s just that dozen on each side that we re always keeping our eyes on. but most of them happen pale go through their lives without ever thinking about it. yeah, this year it s three dozen. all right, this year. thank you, rachel. well, the thing that republicans fear the most
time period they didn t allow us to do that. there is still a lot of questions whether he was acting at the direction of candidate trump and going overseas, meeting with foreign nationals seeking to meet with the president. you have questions, but no hard evidence he lied about other topics? just to be clear here. we also, as it relates to the june 9 meeting, we have strong evidence that trump and cohen talked almost daily about campaign stuff and so, again, when you take circumstantially what we know about that relationship and how close trump s office was to cohen s i understand what you think. just asking, do you have hard evidence michael cohen lied to your committee about anything else? hard evidence right now? circle evidence. treated the same in the law as direct evidence. finally, government needs to get funded pretty darn soon. are you willing to shut down the government if legislation to