states nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of the united states and its allies to plan military attacks, to military attack, and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack, end quote. according to the indictment, this is what donald trump did with those state secrets. for the first few months, some boxes to on the stage of an event space known as the white and gold ballroom before they were moved to the business center. then, some boxes were stored in a bathroom, stacked high above the marble floors, surrounding the toilet and blocking access to the bum, shower, not blocking access to the toilet. they were finally moved to a storage room in 2021, piled high along the walls of the room, but this case isn t just about mishandling the highly sensitive documents. the government also alleges the former presidents quote, endeavored to obstruct the fbi and grand darien vista geishas end quote. for a period of time, trump repeatedly ignored the fbi s order
proclaimed at a campaign stop quote, i can stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and i wouldn t lose any voters. thus that logic still hold, now that he s been accused of putting america s national security at risk? i ll discuss it with former republican congressman, charlie that, and joe walsh. later tonight, we ll be here to continue our special coverage of the indictment of donald trump, tried by colleagues katie phang, evan jonathan capehart, alicia menendez, simone sanders townsend, and me starting at eight pm eastern, tonight.
charlie, great reporting from you. charlie savage is a washington correspondent at the u.s. times. he s the author of power wars, the relentless rise of presidential authority and secrecy. mark zain is the executive director and founder of the james madison project. we appreciate your time. joining me now is laurence tribe, professor emeritus at the harvard law school in coauthor of the book, to end a presidency the power of impeachment. larry, good to see you again, it s been a long time. it takes big offense for us to get together and have these conversations. in a piece you wrote with dennis after for the bulwark this week, he wrote quote, in charges resulting from the special counsel s investigation, we finally see a constitutional system asserting itself full force over a defiant scoff law. history tells us that strong institutions prevail over strong personalities in such battles. at least one institutional values are backed by the beliefs and actions of dedicated citizens, and q
trump they needed to search for documents that would be responsive to the subpoena and provide a certification that there had been compliance with the subpoena. trump in sum and substance, been following statements, among others, as memorialized by trump attorney won. a, i don t want anyone looking. i don t want anybody looking through my boxes. i really don t. i don t want you looking through my boxes. well, what happens if you just don t respond at all, or don t play ball with them? see, wouldn t be better we just told them we didn t have anything here? the, we ll look. isn t it better if there are no documents? and quote. i m joined now by charlie savage, the pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent for the new york times and author of power wars the relentless rise of presidential authority and secrecy, also with us as mark zain, that managing partner of mark-esque zane pc, professor at johns hopkins university, the executive director and founder of the james madison project
documents and per the indictment, even suggested to one of his lawyers they lie to the fbi and the grand jury and tell them that he did not have some documents that have been subpoenaed. quote, on may 11th, the grand jury issued a subpoena. the subpoena to the office of donald j trump, requiring the production of all documents of classification markings in the possession, custody, or control of trump or the office of donald j trump. two attorneys representing trump, trump attorney one anti trump attorney to, informed trump of the may 11th subpoena, and authorize trump attorney want to accept service. on may 22nd, 2022, he nauta entered the storage room at 3:47 pm and left approximately 34 minutes later, carrying one of trump s boxes. on may 23rd, 2022, trump met with trump attorney one anti trump attorney to at the mar-a-lago club to discuss the response to the may 11th subpoena. trump attorney one and two told