she s best known for her work with beyonce. she was queen bey s personal wardrobe curator for seven years. and you can see her creations on the visual album, black is king. in 2020, zerina founded black owned everything, a platform supporting black artists and creators. zerina, welcome. thank you. and camille friend is a renowned hairstyle designer. and she s been nominated for an oscarfor her work on black panther: wakanda forever. she s worked on seven other marvel titles, including captain america, and on otherfilms, like the hateful eight, django unchained, and the little mermaid. she also trains younger generations of hairstylists through her academy, hair scholars. camille, welcome. thank you so much. welcome to you both, ladies. thank you. now, you both work with strong, powerful women, from angela bassett to michaela coel. when it comes to your personal style, zerina, what makes you feel confident and powerful? you know, i love a good suit. i love wearing pants, i love wearing
plus, i m going to say this, meditation is huge for me. meditation. i ve been meditating for 27 years. and settling my mind and getting your mind right, especially in the morning, that s the first thing you got to do. it s. i would say that s so important. i mean, for me, i pray in the morning. and having that, even if i take a minute to have a coffee and walk around my neighbourhood and, like, just set my own day and have that. exactly. ..that first few minutes for myself, gold. exactly. very much so. obviously, not everyone makes it. it is a very cut throat, competitive industry. from your personal experience, what do you see as some of the barriers for women, and for women of colour in particular? camille. some of the barriers are, i think a lot of it sometime isjust not. i want to say maybe sometime not knowing the right people and not being in the right place. but even if you aren t, i think you have to show up, and i ll say this. people call me and they re like, well, i m doing
with fashion in a way that, even like what i like to call twisted basics, you know, which is really a classic item. so, let s say your blazer, classic white button downed shirt, but has a twisted element. you know, whether then it s a double collar or, like, it buttons to the left, you know, and there s some interest that makes it really special and collectable. so i like to always experiment with classic, like, twisted basics. camille, how would you describe your personal style? my personal style, i think it s like kind of like yours. it s very simple, very classic, but then, i like something with a twist, and i always think about what the hair s going to look like. and i always, you know, i always think about what jewellery i m going to wear. so i always think about the jewellery, then i think about the clothes. love it. i always think that hair for me is, like, the accessory. it is! you could do a white t shirt, but that hair, you know. exactly! it allows your wardrobe to be, like,
how do you keep everyone happy? you know what? i always approach styling. i think it s a collaborative effort at the end of the day. right? and i try not to force too much what i am dreaming about, because i don t have to bear that cross. i don t have to walk out on the red carpet or have anyone criticising what i m wearing, perse. so.so when it comes to. and i dress a lot of women, um. ijust think it s important, at the end of the day, as long as.when they step foot out of that door and onto that carpet, they feel their best selves and they can feel confident. their top isn t. they don t have to fuss with their top moving around. they. you know, they canjust kind of focus on being beautiful and feeling good. so i go along with what they re feeling. good. camille, being a head of department on a big blockbusterfilm must come with a lot of pressure and responsibility. you re working really long hours. and inevitably, there must be moments of stress and conflict. oh, yeah. how do you man
and given that your world is hair, camille, how much time and effort do you spend on your own hair? is it a case of, like, the chef doesn t cook at home? well, i do spend a little time. like, i m going to say, i m a wig wearer, but i have a lot of wigs. so i have, you know, i have a wall of wigs, and ijust go pick, and i do. ijust work on my own wigs. and i actually do spend time for my hair, just to make sure that it looks good. of course. now, zerina, you ve always been interested in fashion. when did you catch the fashion bug? i caught it. you know, i have to say, i caught it very early. i d even tie it back to the time when my family bought me that pretty easter dress, and then i never wanted to take it off! you know? and i would kind of. they practically had to hide it from me cos i wanted to play in the playground with it all day. but i d say really in high school, i started to experiment with design and really kind of put it to the forefront of what i wanted to do in my career.