very clear. dana: this is quite an ordeal and quite a crime. what do we know about this, nancy? no suspects. i m very distraught to hear about the cameras in piedmont park, the heart of the city like central park to you, the cameras at the park were installed in 2008. there was a reassessment in 2017. officials knew the cameras weren t working. what you are seeing at a red light. i ve jogged there many times when i worked with the district attorney s office. that is one entrance to an open park. you can get in anywhere. it is not really helping me except we got a timeline from that. we can see on there when katie went in with her pit bulldog. interesting the killer not only killed her but stabbed the dog dead, too. which opens up a whole lens of the killer s mind.
according to reports, federal charges are imminent against the guards who are supposed to be guarding jeffrey epstein. reportedly the guards have already declined up radial offer. gavin is a former nypd officer enjoys a center. thanks so much for coming on. thanks for having me, tucker. speeone s of these guards, even the mayor of new york, why think is usually kind of out of it, bill de blasio waiting and seemed to kind of attack these guards. tell us what charges they may be facing and what it means that they declined a plea deal. well,le if they are facing charges it would be for failing to officially performg their duties as correction officers. they are required to make tours at frequent intervals, i believe in in the special housing area every half hour. but it could be a fishing expedition on the part of the feds too because i think if they haded enough evidence to make te arrest they probably would have color these officers already and if their attorneys are telling them no
velocity that would have developed as a result of some kind of leaping. and then when you correlate this with so many other things, the fact that he was imprisoned with someone who has been charged with four murders, suicide watch which they removed, that the cameras weren t working, all that together incredible. dana: cameron if i could have you listened to dr. bodden on those very issues on the security problems as he sought come and a listen. extremely unlikely. have never seen in 50 years of investigating, all doubts that occur in prisons and new york state, never had two guards fall asleep at the same time while the video doesn t work. the issue would be did some to come and it causes death? you ve worked at federal facilities would you make of that? frankly i haven t heard anything unequivocal in terms of determining whether epstein was actually murdered or not, i understand that the feelings of both doctors have great respect
now. her rush to judgment and to rudecide that this was a suicide makes no sense. we don t know why the cameras weren t working, why everybody was asleep.ot why they like. the fbi, the doj, inspector general, everybody is doing an investigation. and we arej, capable of being oe of two ways. you ve got toon give me the additional thoughts that cause me to believe it s one way versus another. by the way, tucker, i have tried cases that were listed as suicides and i ve gotten a homicide conviction. so they weren t suicides, they were intentionalwe murders. and secondly, the breaking of a hyoid bone, and i ve tried strange elation cases, that s classic in a strangulation, not in a hanging. so there was a rush it. i don t know if it s to shutng t down, but it makes no sense to me as a prosecutor. tucker: have you seen, finally, cases in your life where the medical examiner was
level government job if he returned to saudi arabia. he was reportedly suspicious of those offers. with me now, nbc s ayman mohyeldin following the story. you know him, you have spoken to him, been following the story. it is hard to make sense of. it is a complex story. you have the investigation into a person that s gone missing and the geopolitics of the region where everything is trying to spin things. evidence is there, but not entirely transparent. the turks say they have evidence, haven t made it public. what we have seen is video of him going in and the saudis say he left but the cameras weren t working. that s bizarre. i have spoken to somebody in the saudi government familiar with the security protocols and all kinds of security structures. that s not heard of. they said it is unheard of because of saudi arabia takes security very seriously at the consulates. istanbul is a complex landscape. it is highly unlikely they left