time and became much more radicalized you saw that happening. yeah. we saw a shift from what i would term a libertarian anarchist book club to what we saw at bundy ranch and then a progression of armed stand-offs. what was rhodes like? this is the guy who led this group, went to yale law school. i don t know what happened in his life that he got to this point but is he a true believer? is it for membership? i don t think he is a true believer. he is a very smart individual, a very talented artist as well. he was a sculptor and did incredible art work. he obviously, i feel like he really didn t have a moral anchor and the more attention he got, the more camera time he got, the more membership and donations, it just led to him opening up and moving this creep that continued to a hard right direction. did they, did you from the
willing to negotiate. do you want to give us a theory of the case? you re part of the body. you know more people on the other side of the aisle than many of your democratic colleagues. what is your sense of how this plays out? my bet and this has been my bet for the last couple of days, and i m stronger in my belief in this than i was two days ago, which is that the republican conference can end this really quickly by choosing somebody other than kevin mccarthy. and again, that has nothing to do with jim haim s feelings about kevin mccarthy. it has to do with the conversations i ve had with a handful of the rebels on that side. my guess is i think this is very painful for my friends on the other side of the aisle. a lot of the rebels have gotten the camera time and the fame they were looking for. they re now legitimate antiestablishment warriors. it is getting a little painful hear. my best guess if they settle on somebody else, i don t know who it is, if they settle on somebody el
was it all that megalomaniacal or was there something different going on? no, no. we saw an evolution. they did start off much more like a constitutional book club or an educational outreach, but i think what stuart found as he participated in these standoffs was that he got a whole lot of camera time and and there was a lot of donations flowing in, and i think that really helped to cement, you know, and i think during bundy ranch during the week i was there i overheard between $30,000 and $40,000 was raised in week of course which $12,000 ever made it to the bundy family so it was a way, you know, that fed his ego and, you know, got him in front of cameras and got his message out and so, yeah, i think that all plays a part of it. now also to to your earlier question, stuart i really don t think, you know, believes a lot of the stuff that he puts on in front of the camera.
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