they ve inspired followers to wage jihad. king abdullah calls the fight against isis the third world war. whether that assessment seems right to you or a bit much, you ll want to join us as we explore the isis threat. isis grew out of the u.s. invasion of iraq in 2003. its first leader, abu knew saab zarqawi call zarqawi. they were targeting iraq. their cruelty too much even for some of the world s most famous terrorists.
joining me now matthew alexander, a former senior military interrogator who conducted or supervized over 1,300 interrogations in iraq leading to the capture of numerous al qaeda leaders and the killing of abu musab all zarqawi. we should note, matthew alexander is a pseudonym he uses for obvious security reasons. thank you very much for joining us tonight. thanks for having me, lawrence. you just heard donald rumsfeld say, that anyone, anyone who suggests that the enhanced techniques, waterboarding, did not produce an enormous amount of valuable intelligence just isn t facing the truth. did we get an enormous amount of valuable intelligence from waterboarding? well, what former secretary rumsfeld should explain to us then is how come we didn t find or locate osama bin laden back