been. it could have been done even without the knowledge of the people who had the telephones. if someone decided that there were problems i mean, we know already that the call log for donald trump on the afternoon of january 6, nothing is there. we know there are no call records. nothing is there. we know that certain things are clearly missing and there s lots of motive to destroy that tough. the secret service. of course, the text messages. the question is, did donald trump or someone from the white house direct the secret service to get mike pence out of the capital so that the count couldn t continue? that is a very plausible hypothesis. it could be the motivation for somebody destroying those text messages. the ones at the homeland security. we know that homeland security was contacted about seizing voting machines. what was on those? we are not that i know. this may be a case where the cover-up may not only be worse
comes to the destruction of all of these different documents, having no call records, and the like, i think a negative inference is appropriate, not just because of trump and what we know he did otherwise, but also, nicole, something you said at the beginning, which is, this is not the way the white house operates. it s not the way the government operates normally. like, when i was at the justice department, we d go in on the weekends and print out our emails just to make sure there was a paper record and not just an electronic record of everything that we sent and did. these people, like, you know, if they had printed it out, it was only to burn it, and then to hit delete over and over again. and you know, i understand the government sometimes makes, you know, not always competent, and you know, particularly in technology, but this, over and over and over and over again, and from the top, as michael says, you know, it s the white house chief of staff using signal? you know, that s a n
haven t she hasn t been on their radar beforehand. is that what it looks like you to, talking to hutchinson now, issuing subpoenas for marc short and greg jacob, that it s this far in the investigation. i think the department of justice has slow rolled this that we re 18 months out of january 6 and only now do they bring in these people and only now is the washington post and new york city reporting is the justice department asking questions about trump s actions, 18 months out people can say, you know and genuinely that their memories need to be refreshed or they just don t remember certain things. that s really unusual. even the idea that the department of justice collected call records in april of this year, that s 15 months since the incidents, that s really quite slow. so short, jacob, cassidy hutchinson, alyssa farah foreshadowed maybe other people that the january 6 committee has spoken to. what witness could doj call? we may never know, we don t necessarily know w
evidence, the loss of peace. it presents, objectively, a shady picture. but it does not present a criminal one. that is a big question. if you are the doj and you are looking at, that would you do about this evidence loss? this factor into your decision-making? how so? shows evidence of a crime. but i think it s certainly points to in the direction. gives you the basis for opening a criminal investigation. over this 187 minutes of the capitol attack, we have no official white house voters. we have no more detailed records. of course, for some reason we have hours in the hours of details missing from that case. we have no injuries in the white house potential ban. the only way we can reconstruct any of that is to go back to somebody like rudy giuliani, looking at his call records, see that most are speaking to the president. and you are speaking to the
from a political perspective, yes. from a legal perspective, no. that is not admissible at all. and looking at this and my former doj, you know, prosecutor hat, there were two places where i said, you know, the doj really has the ability to pull the curtain back. one area is the area that you rachel asked the congresswoman about is which is everything that the president was trying to keep secret, where there is no call logs, where he didn t want photographers. there you want to know everything that you can piece together that happened, because you wanna be able to tell a jury what did he not want you to know? which was he trying to do in secret? so, you want to piece all of that together. and the doj will have the ability to do that, my getting call records, subpoenaing people, putting them in the grand jury. the other area which also alluded to is executive privilege. and the clip that you had with pat cipollone it is sort of obvious but, there are many areas where in order to prove