and it s time that they do it now. but if you look at the american public, i know there is increased momentum on the democratic side to start an impeachment process. but if you look at polling on the american public, it s pretty divided on whether there was obstruction of justice. the job of the congress is to lay out the case and to move public opinion on this. that s their job. frankly or not. they may not come up with articles of impeachment. but that hasn t happened yet. i see interviews from members of congress and they keep saying the mueller report. why don t you talk of the specific facts? dan, i feel like part of their problem goes to something i asked the congresswoman is everybody hears the word impeachment and hear something different. some hear it and think he s out of office. others hear it and it s congress version of a grand jury. most people simply don t realize it s simply congress version of a grand jury. i think that s to be expected. i think peo
where, okay, i can t say he did, i can t say he didn t. however, i m telling the congress loud and clear there s something that you should probably pursue here. i want you to see if you react to something here. it s not that flattering about mr. mueller. it s from a former federal prosecutor, ken white. he writes this. he says mueller is a man out of time. this is the age of alternatively factual tweets and sound bites. he s a throwback that expects americans to read and absorb carefully worded 400-page reports. has he met us? his high standards sometimes manifest as touching naivete. there s no doubt we ve moved forward in the age of communication and all the things we can do with cyber links and social media. look, this was a thorough investigation. any united states attorney and anybody in the fbi for a time is not unusual. a 400-page report to me is not
explain why i went for an impeachment inquiry. the room mostly, i would say 99% of the room applauded in terms of impeachment inquiry. they absolutely did. that is a shift from four or five or six weeks ago. do you think that there is a little bit of a problem where as much as i think that every committee should be independent, judiciary, you guys look, you re the big todkahuna here, intel is doing some stuff, financial services is doing some stuff on trump and personal finances. is it in some ways, should it all be concentrated into one single effort? should it be a special select committee? all go through judiciary and then worry about the other stuff? i think that may also be contributing to the public confusion about what the goals of congress are. i think there s room enough for all of us to do our job.
shift a couple of weeks ago now to say that we should call for an impeachment inquiry? and the thing that i say is that i feel on judiciary that we are foot soldiers and then when we issue lawful subpoenas for the constitutional oversight we ought to be doing and they are ignored, blocked, thwarted by this administration, by this president, by this attorney general, enough is enough and i believe we should start an impeachment inquiry. do you think that one of the issues here and why this is so feels like such a leap for so many members of congress is that there s a perception that saying you re for impeachment means saying you re for kicking him out of office, when really when you say this, it means what you just describe. you re essentially officially creating a grand jury in congress to decide whether this president deserves to be indicted, pure and simple. and whether we should file articles of impeachment. right, right. it s opening a grand jury and
for the president instead of the attorney general. so what i think is that mueller laid out the obstructive acts and he said, congress, it s your responsibility to look and to see if you can hold the president accountable for wrongdoing for crimes, for misdemeanors, as the constitution provides. i do think that s what he should have at least said. this is being written for congress to decide, not the justice department. even the referral. we don t know if it s an actual referral to congress or not. but he s an employee of the justice department. this was a report that was to go to the attorney general. so and given everything we know about him being a straight shooter and straight arrow guy, he seemed not to want to go out on that limb. we re going to do a segment after about is he too straight arrow for the times. but i ll talk about that on the other side of the break. dan, donna and alfonso, you re sticking around. coming up, the uproar over the uss john mccain, the whit