out there continuing to agitate and, as you mentioned, all of these states that are building in ways in which they can overturn legitimate election results, we ve got a bigger problem. but it has to start with protecting those voting rights. norm, you and i were on thursday, and it turned into a debate unexpectedly. i think part of the way we left it is where i would like to pick up with you. i don t want to leave the impression that the way you were defining what the problem is was false. i think you are seeing the problem as it actually is, even though the path forward may seem a little opaque. what would you say to someone that says, ah, okay, fine, this is bad. i m not a donald trump fan, but the death of american democracy? that sounds a little strong. on what do you base that? how do you substantiate that concern? there are two ways in which i would look at it, joshua. the first is that on january 6th when we had this violent assault on the capitol that endangered
orenstein, an emeritus scholar at the american enterprise institute and among the scholars that signed that letter. good to see you again. welcome. good to see you, too, joshua. call me norm. good to see you, norm. what do you think the action might look for? is it the for the people act working its way through congress or could it be something else, assuming we are talking about federal action from washington? it starts with the voting rights acts which was eviscerated by the shelby county action. they re separate but important actions to take. it is important to know even if we got all of the elements for the for the people act, which would safeguard federal elections for voters and make it easier for them to vote and overcome a lot of these voter suppression measures, they don t directly address the biggest threat that we have to our democracy. as i saw ali vitali at the start of the show talking about trump
threat that we have to our democracy. as i saw ali vitali at the start of the show talking about trump out there continuing to agitate and, as you mentioned, all of these states that are building in ways in which they can overturn legitimate election results, we ve got a bigger problem. but it has to start with protecting those voting rights. norm, you and i were on thursday, and it turned into a debate unexpectedly. i think part of the way we left it is where i would like to pick up with you. i don t want to leave the impression that the way you were defining what the problem is was false. i think you are seeing the problem as it actually is, even though the path forward may seem a little opaque. what would you say to someone that says, ah, okay, fine, this is bad. i m not a donald trump fan, but the death of american democracy? that sounds a little strong. on what do you base that? how do you substantiate that concern? there are two ways in which i would look at it, joshua. the f
joining us now is norm ornstein, an emeritus scholar at the american enterprise institute and among the scholars that signed that letter. good to see you again. welcome. good to see you, too, joshua. call me norm. good to see you, norm. what do you think the action might look for? is it the for the people act working its way through congress or could it be something else, assuming we are talking about federal action from washington? it starts with the voting rights acts which was eviscerated by the shelby county action. they re separate but important actions to take. it is important to know even if we got all of the elements for the for the people act, which would safeguard federal elections for voters and make it easier for them to vote and overcome a lot of these voter suppression measures, they don t directly address the biggest