immigration crime engagement. we are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests. i m joined by joshua green, senior national correspondent for bloomberg businessweek. josh, you ve profiled both bannon and stephen miller and there was talk that this wasn t a bannon/miller speech but i think maybe rhetorically it wasn t but substantively it seemed to be. that s exactly right. if you look at what trump did in ways large and small, it was clear he was hewing to his economic nationalist positions. the very first thing he did was welcome citizens of america. not my fellow of america, citizens of america. i don t think that was an accident and if you went on to listen to what he said in the speech, everything from the props he had, the people whose relatives have been killed by undocumented immigrants and the policies he laid out which were very protectionist this was as the white house source told me, nationalism with an indoor
the beating heart of this problem. well, yes, it s mind-boggling and it is someone that obviously i ve talked about before at some length on your program. i mean, that is pretty clear, isn t it, josh? absolutely. the economic nationalist world view as envisioned by bannon and miller is not just about deport ing illegal immigrations, it s about lessening legal immigration, people they think are competing with marginalized u.s. workers. in fairness, there are some liberal economists that say yes, it would be good to tighten the labor market by keeping out some of these low-skilled workers who compete with americans and drive down wages, but i think miller and bannon take it much, much further and not just immigrants but even refugees which i talk about in my cover story with miller. he said one of the rationales for banning migrants from the seven countries they tried the ban the executive order was look, these refugees come in and
they take benefits that are ought to rightfully belong to amican citizens. we could also note this. the data on sort of wage competition of the low end of wage scales is pretty muddy about what immigration does and the effect is less than i think a lot of people presume. but bannon also said you have a problem with silicon valley with too many asians, basically. i m paraphrasing but that was the point, a nation is more than a nation more than an economy, it s got to be something other than that and there s too many asians running around silicon valley. that was certainly the way it came off. having talked to miller about in in some detail for the piece, i think a more polite way of putting it is that they have concerns not just about low-skilled immigrants, agricultural workers, that sort of thing but also on h1b visa reform and essentially want to do everything they can, as miller put it, to protect the jobs of american citizens in america. and that means in a lot of cases clo
voice, with the volume ratcheted down for a congressional audience instead of a stadium audience but fundamentally the same kinds of things trump has been saying all along. we get to the immigration part, it s really important for people to note i want to play this clip of bannon and miller talking about immigration. there s lots of ways you can think about immigration, a lot of times it s couched as unauthorized immigrants are breaking the law but i think bannon and miller believe something deeper about the threat that even legal immigration poses to the country. take a listen. isn t the beating heart of this problem right now the real beating heart of it of what we ve got to get sorted here is not illegal immigration, as horrific as that is, and it s horrific. don t we have a problem, we ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that overwhelmed the country. when you have 20% of the country is immigrants, is that not a massive problem? you were with jigs for many, many,