discussions went and there is no way to determine that because there is no record. then later giuliani releases a statement saying his comments were, quote, hypothetical and not based on conversations i had with the president. he told the new yorker even if trump did have conversations until the election, it wouldn t have been a crime. that s a big flip from directly quoting the president on a specific date to saying this is all a hypothetical. giuliani is also creating some confusion about conversations with trump s former attorney michael cohen about this. michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress about the timeline, and giuliani responded to the allegations made by buzzfeed to directing cohen to lie in that testimony. directed to the buzzfeed article, here is what giuliani told cnn. as far as i know, president trump did not have discussions with him, certainly didn t have discussions with him in which he told him or counseled him to lie. if he had discussions with him,