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the human catastrophe that is happening in ukraine. leading off our discussion tonight, nbc news correspondent, cal perry, and lviv, ukraine. also, retired lieutenant general, ben hodges, former commanding general of the united states army, in europe. cal, let me begin with you, in the situation there tonight. i think that there is a number of indications we can now point to on the ground. as evidence that this military operation is planned. so, the first witnesses brutal assault on the civilian population in these hours. the lifelines for civilians, who are maybe behind, specifically, the food supply, and the medical supplies. in the city of mariupol, you have russian troops inside of a ukrainian hospital, using patients there as human shields, as a way to avoid being shot at, and a way to deny the enemy medical treatment happening, in an urban setting. in the city of kharkiv, we have
been strafing these columns, and killing russian soldiers at an incredible rate. there has been no defense, put up by the russians to it. it simply does not make any sense that a modern army, invading a southern country, and is able to defend itself on that invasion. i do not think that any of us expected that. there is a fear here, amongst the people in ukraine, that vladimir putin is being pushed into a corner, and is being embarrassed. there is a worry that he will lash out in some horrendous military fashion, that is worse than what we re seeing on your screens, right now. that is even worse than the shelling of the civilian areas. so, because of the military operation s gone as planned, that is something, i think, people are concerned about. general hodges, what about the resupply of hurts that russia has to mount now. they ve got all these troops across the border into ukraine. they need to get fuel. they need to get ammunition. what are the challenges they re
not only the resistance, but also the consumption rate of ammunition. they require probably 200 imagine the big fuel trucks we see driving around our towns carrying about 5000 gallons of fuel to replenish gas stations. they need 200 of those every day! just to keep their vehicles going. can you imagine on the road network that we see, how difficult that is? and some of the tanks that they have a huge consumers a fuel, so it s not like they re driving a volkswagen or iffy at. this is a very, very difficult problem. all 200,000 or whatever the actual number of russian soldiers, they ve got to eat every single day. and so this is a real problem. i think the logistical situation for ukraine, on the other hand, actually gets better each day as the effort and the united states army and airports to build up supplies. we get a little bit stronger every day. lieutenant general ben
whole world is watching. today, the american ambassador to the united nations, once again, pointed out who is responsible for murdering 108 babies. ap reporters on the ground show the world a mass grave in mariupol. a narrow trench, filled with the bodies of children. locals have told families to leave their dead relatives lying, on the streets. exposed to the world. because it is, simply, too dangerous with the bombs, and shelling s to hold funerals. russia will be held accountable for its atrocities. this it is only one way to end this madness. president putin, stop the killing. withdraw your forces. leave ukraine, once, and for all this. and what you just heard the