keystone. but her name is not one we have been hearing russian investigation. i do think that s interesting. yeah. look, i grew he with phil, a lot of ac crow mthis, thumbs up or robert mueller about collusion. i tend to believe if there were smoking guns, we would have seen or heard about them by now. because it s such a leaky investigation, and it s been going on for a long time. we are also turning the page, steve bannon former white house chief strategies, we are learning he s got a lawyer, william burke, former special counsel bush 43. so lawyering him up. prep for questions.
if i m the president of the united states, look at the variety of issues he would have to answer with conversation with special counsel, not just what happened with russia, it s about what we saw on the manafort issue, financial interactions with russians or russian intermediaries, then will is more difficult people that people haven t talked about. not just about the substance of money or russia, it s about whether you contradict somebody else among the many dozens or more been interviewed already, in the federal government. that s called 1001 violation. if you lie to federal officer whether under oath or not during that federal investigation. you are in trouble. so if i m his lawyer saying you better shall darn careful because if someone else said something two months ago we have a problem. i don t think a president will be eager to testify under oath. but this president, $900 could go in and say don t lie. how lose he is with facts. stumble into problems.
president obama and president bush. president trump is temperamentally different, i think his world view is different from any president we ve potentially seen before.ç and i think what he is, you know, the end of the year always offers this opportunity to sort of talk about restsons learned lessons learned, and i think one of the the things the administration has done well is that they ve learned to adapt some fairly outlandish policy ideas to suit swamp and to suit the congress, and they ve become like there s no better example than the travel ban. the president s beloved travel ban. if you look at the first version, it was fairly outrageous. everything from what it said on paper the how it wasç rolled o. we go from this to the second, and then the third version has sort of passed without much, much controversy. and what they re doing there is trying to, i think, you know,
there s going to be a war with north korea. i think that s been turned down. isis is a plus maybe, but, you know, we ll have to see. i mean, you re exactly right, it is a dangerous world. but the fuse of instability is lit in so many cups, and in so many countries, and the crisis can come from a place we least expect it. i m looking at this, and there are dozens of places that can go off and wind up defining theç presidency. and so, you know, that s why i m waiting to finish the book. [laughter] chris: gillian, how does this president compare both in substance and style points to the two presidents that you worked for on the national security council, bush 43 and obama? i think it s fair to say that president trump is different in every way imaginable, both and they were very different from one another.
from one another. president obama and president bush. president trump is temperamentally different, i think his world view is different from any president we ve potentially seen before.ç and i think what he is, you know, the end of the year always offers this opportunity to sort of talk about restsons learned lessons learned, and i think one of the the things the administration has done well is that they ve learned to adapt some fairly outlandish policy ideas to suit swamp and to suit the congress, and they ve become like there s no better example than the travel ban. the president s beloved travel ban. if you look at the first version, it was fairly outrageous. everything from what it said on paper the how it wasç rolled o. we go from this to the second, and then the third version has sort of passed without much, much controversy. and what they re doing there is