unfettered access. there s no indication that that real substantial breakthrough is happened yet, isha. cnn international correspondent nic robertson joining us from kiev with important information, nic, always appreciate it. thank you. a senior white house official tells cnn the buk missile system which brought down mh 17 was moved from russia to eastern ukraine in recent days or weeks and could not have been operated from recent training. with more, cnn s security analyst joining us from los angeles. good to speak to you. let s start with the how does the u.s. know this? very simply. they can watch these systems move over land by overhead photography, the coverage on eastern ukraine is very good. they also have been able to intercept, i suspect, communications from the system, when it turns on the radar, awax can pick it up.
that missile that brought down that commercial airline. how long would it take if oliver north needed to train somebody on how to use one of these, how long would it take? well, the training manual the russians have say for proficiency two years of training to become a noncommission officer operating that particular system on the buk missile system with an sa-11 or sa-20 even more training. so you re talking years, not weeks. certainly not days. and does that tell you anything? does that tell you it was likely a russian operating it? or simply that the russians have been helping these guys along? it tells me that there s certainly obviously russians in the communications that have been intercepted. it tells me russians have been deeply involved in the process of getting those weapons systems into the hands, if you will, just across the border apparently. the telemetry indicates it was on the ukrainian side of the border. i would find it very difficult to believe that there were
to it a colonel in the russian military s main intelligence department inside russia. the plane fell apart in the air. in the area of petro mine. the first 200. we have found the first 200. a civilian, well, what do you have there? this war can be ended. russia can end this war. russia must end this war. ukrainian officials say this is the smoking gun. these telephone intercepts of the separatists reporting back to russian intelligence. andrea? all right. thanks, jennifer. lawmakers say there is no doubt putin has his hands all over this. it does appear the buk missile system is so complicated that it would need to back up from a nation state like russia. that would mean that russian armed forces are directly involved in this wrongful death of roughly 300 people. it s a missile that came from russia or it was from
that missile that brought down that commercial airline. how long would it take if oliver north needed to train somebody on how to use one of these, how long would it take? well, the training manual the russians have say for proficiency two years of training to become a noncommission officer operating that particular system on the buk missile system with an sa-11 or sa-20 even more training. so you re talking years, not weeks. certainly not days. and does that tell you anything? does that tell you it was likely a russian operating it? or simply that the russians have been helping these guys along? it tells me that there s certainly obviously russians in the communications that have been intercepted. it tells me russians have been deeply involved in the process of getting those weapons systems into the hands, if you will, just across the border apparently. the telemetry indicates it was on the ukrainian side of the border. i would find it very difficult to believe that there were
the first place? why wasn t it restricted and i guess a lot of people might be wondering what other war zones are now open for commercial passenger jets? well, frankly, it s complete incompetence. there s been four or five planes shot down already in the last couple months and the systems, their capabilities are well known and there s been information out there, open intelligence, that this sa-11 was there and even the rebels were boasting about having captured one of these. and you just look at the altitude, they should have never allowed planes to fly over, but no one s been paying attention to this conflict. that s the problem. there s an investigation under way, sort of an investigation under way, trying to get out to the crash scene, everyone s sort of dancing around pointing fingers at moscow and putin s involvement, but at this point, does an investigation actually matter, because it seems unlikely that