mean to step on you. it a huge component. zoe said a couple little things, they re playing it cupkind of c because they will have a hearing next week but i expect in fact, they ve got some real combustible stuff that is going to break big when they do it and she s being kind of coy about it. so i think you can expect some fairly big bombshells. well, let s bring you in here, ron. you re not meant to be coy. i know you re not. you re a straight shooter. cipollone defended trump in the first impeachment hearing. he s no never trumper by any stretch of the imagination. the fact he s from trump s inner circle, the fact he wasn t like jump champing at the bit to come in and testify, he was not witness number one. he s just coming in. how important is it that this is the person, this is the guy that is coming to testify now? how important is this to the overall committee s ability to make the case to the american electret about what happened and led up to it? you know, i m not
i think you can expect some fairly big bombshells. let s bring you in here ron, you are not meant to be coy, i know you are not. a straight shooter. cipollone defended trump in the first impeachment hearing, the fact that he is from trump s inner circle, he was not like chomping at the bit to testify. he was not witness number one he is just coming in. how important is it that this is the first, this is the guy that is coming to testify now? how important is this to the overall committee s ability to make the case to the american electorite. i am not a lawyer but as a journalist you go to the sources on the outside, you get information and you go closer and closer to the central. given the accounts that we heard in cipollone s presence at so many critical moments, the attempt to replace the leadership of the justice department, he is there. the conversation with mark meadows on jan 6 where mark meadows through hutchinson s testimony says he does not think he is doing anyt
he doesn t think they re doing anything wrong. this happened on january 6th, harry, as the riot was underway. if cipollone verified that, you can check off the list in terms of whatever sort of non-criminal prosecution elements you have for these congressional related discussions about him refusing to stop the riot, even as people are telling him the vice president of the united states, the person who is the number two person in the line of succession, that this is the person they re building gallows for. i mean, what are the legal implications, one, that this was stated and hutchinson may have heard it but also, this would have been something that they tried as a facility it seems to prevent. by the way, it s really interesting. i don t think people have caught on. hutchinson, 25-year-old kid in the white house so sort of powerless does cipollone feel that he s going to her, not meadows because meadows won t
stop the riot even as people are telling him, the voice president of the united states, the number two person in the line of succession this is the person they are building gallows for. what are the legal implications one, that this was stated and hutchinson may of heard it. but also this would have been something that they tried as an exercise of fertility is seems to prevent. yeah, and by the way it is really interesting. i don t think people caught on to this. hutchinson, 25-year-old kid in the white house so sort of powerless does cipollone feel that he is going to her, not meadows because meadows will not listen to him. meadows shut him down at that point. but, there are half a dozen episodes. we will add to that the january 3rd meeting where cipollone says