neil: come on. i m much older than you. they ve been through more than that. they re good at it. republicans don t want a shut down. they may be unfairly or fairly would be blamed for it since they are in control. and it would detract from any tax bill that would happen if it makes its way to president trump s desk. neil: you re right about that. we also forget that part of the yes votes that we got out of the senate promises assurances made regarding budget properties. susan collins wanted relief for those who premiums go up if you move the mandate. john mccain wanted assurances about defense spending. they re kind of tied here, more than we know. yeah, that is absolutely they are tied. and i agree with judy. they could get tense. i don t think there s going to be a shut down. the key to that is what we saw house democrats and the