we know that investing in health and wellness works, if you have fewer diabetics, if you have fewer who smoke, you have fewer ss overweight and obese americans, that s going to lower costs. no credit is given to that so we get right now $1 trillion over two decades in health savings without giving credit to a number of the programs. a couple. one has to do with how this gets paid for. that is a tax. excise tax on so called cadillac plans. but in the senate bill that s s been put off until 2018. and the reasonable question comes up which is, do you really think a future congress which s s will be under a lot of pressure not to raise $1 trillion of taxes, is going to withstand s that pressure, or are you going to be left where because this congress won t raise the tax now, they put it off to 2018 so s you have all of the spending and not get any of the savings until 2018. isn t that unrealistic? s
no federal money paying for abortions? there is no federal money paying for abortions. that s just not my statement, it is what, you know, a legal analyst who has looked at the senate bill, it s what the fact checkers who look at the statements say. i don t think there s any disagreement. bart stupak and congressman stupak and the president want health reform. he has been a strong member of energy and congress, worked on issues and he supports the president s notion about this. congressman stupak and the president agree. on but they don t agree how you get it. what needs to be done, he used to be a yes, he is now a no vote. how does he become a yes vote? i think people will continue to talk to him. i think that there is no question to try to persuade him he s wrong. i think there is no question
if they can t get it now, i think they will get clobbered in the election. but they are also going to get it passed because what underlies this are two things, one, this bill provides coverage for 30 million people. and that s really important. but the second reason s lots of people with health insurance now are going to lose it if we don t do anything. there is a report out of wall street last week that showed that insurance companies are jacking up their rates because in a lot of markets there is no competition. and they are willing to lose some people, drop people from coverage, because they can make more profit with higher rates. if we don t do something about this system, a lot of employers won t be able to afford covering their employees. harold ford, you have been in congress. this is a question of process, not just reconciliation, that budget measure. how do the no votes become yes votes in the house? there were 39 no votes among house democrats, there could be 11 more that b
two ways. first, democrats in the senate were able to convince some senate republicans, scott brown, voinovich and a few others to vote in favor of a jobs bill that senator hatch and schumer put a key role in putting together. you have to find those areas where you can bring people over. i think e.j. s points are well taken. the challenge is if there is vote for reconciliation, if there were votes in reconciliation it probably would have been done. the question is if there are not enough votes to pass by reconciliation you reach out to the democrats and you begin to reach out to some republicans. when lbj and the republican leader worked to pass civil rights legislation they worked together. maybe that s the president and the team now can find ways to bring a few republicans over and if you have to vote with the reconciliation vote, wouldn t it be amazing if you lost a few democrats and picked up a few republicans. it might make it easier. amazing.
the way the border wall is at the center of the funding fight over whether or not to shut down the government, the president is insisting on including $1.4 billion to begin construction of the wall in the budget measure. the democrats are bulking over that. they don t want to give even a single penny to construction of a border wall, so next week, a big fight in congress over funding and whether the president can push it to the point where the government will shut down, we will see. jenna: very interesting, we will watch these moving parts, and meanwhile, you can see steel stocks are taking off because of this information and someday we can watch as we continue to watch wall street as well as washington, d.c., thank you. jon: president trump facing off against a familiar figure in a high-profile immigration case, it is brought about by a so-called dreamer who is suing the u.s. after being deported back to mexico. the federal judge hearing the