this is a growing fight over budget gaps and labor rights. republican lawmakers and governors are trying to scale back public worker unions in the name of fiscal restraint. indiana now the second state after wisconsin where outnumbered democratic legislatures have fled the capitol and the state to hold up a vote they are sure to lose. i should say votes by the way. they re actually protesting ten different measures affecting labor, education or both. just within the past hour, they succeeded in forcing republicans to table a so-called right to work bill. but from a hotel meeting room in illinois they say the standoff is far from over and that is today s sound effect. everybody s trying to do what they think is best, just to be patient, okay, study the issues, and give everybody a chance to come together. we ve always done that in the past. this will pass, and things will be better. grubb says he and his comrades are willing to come back anytime the governor is
very shortly in north africa and libya. but as wisconsin goes, so goes indiana and idaho and tennessee and new jersey, it s the growing fight over budget gaps and labor rights. republican lawmakers and governors are trying to scale back public worker unions in the name of fiscal restraint. indiana now the second state after wisconsin, where outnumbered democrats have fled the capital and the state to hold up a vote that they are pretty sure will lose, a measure that would sharply limit collective bargaining rights for teachers, similar situation to wisconsin, and these democrats, like their wisconsin brethren, are in illinois. that s where we find today s sound effect. everybody s trying to do what they think s best, just to be patient, okay, study the issues, and give everybody a chance to come together. we ve always done that in the past. this will pass, and things will be better. grubb says he and his comrades are willing to come back anytime the governor is
snowplow drivers so they can t bargain for a middle class life. that s not what they were elected to do. they were elected to create jobs and they have gone too far. we re watching live pictures. this is ohio demonstration here. you say they have gone too far. this is an argument the governor made. they say i have these budget gaps. i have to close them. as we talk in washington, you have to deal with social security and medicare and defense budget because that s where the money is. at the state level they would say public employees union benefits health benefits or pension benefits. here s the average salary of union and nonunion worker. union member works $200 on average a week than a nonuse person. that s private sector workers as well. of course we do. look at the benefits. health care, retirement, a union member about 14.66 an hour toward benefits. nonunion member half that amount goes toward benefits. what s your position to these governors? if you would say let s talk
family and they re standing there together, as we re watching it all unfold there in wisconsin today. adam shapiro, thank you for that report and actually, crystallizing the debate. well, the battle over barning rights and benefits for public workers is spreading from wisconsin to other states and union workers could soon be taking big time hits as cash strapped states face budget gaps in the years ahead. i m still willing to take the pay cuts. we don t know where it will end. woof no idea how bad it will get because all of our protection will be gone. jamie: that is a union worker. so is wisconsin becoming the flash point for labor leaders in the future? joining us now from senior fellow project, 21, also a fox news contributor, good to see you today. hello, thank you. is governor walker, has been pretty clear about what he wants. should he be willing to negotiate if we re hearing from some of the unions, that
hoyers? clean up after this hurricane? after this tornado? please help us out? a lot of this is an image thing. chris christie sent the message in 2009 elected it s going to be about fiscal issue, about cutting the budgets. chris christie is not positio positioning himself to run for president. in 2012, not to say people aren t thinking about bill clinton. posturing. these republicans governors are saying we have budget gaps. you re telling me remember, the states, like vermont have to balance budgets. it s not just republican governments. not like republicans are getting tough. governors period have to get tough. true. a gamble, too, for republicans. haley barbour can t get a story right about what happened with the civil rights movement. part of that is he s positions hills to run for president. a lot of this posturing can backfire. fiscal hawks will help the