you re totally right. it seems to be that bucha was just the beginning while the world was watching, while the world sees, okay, there s so many civilians dead, but when we came to borodyanka, and as a journalist, came to other places, we see there s a lot of buchas all over ukraine. and while we re talking, there is attacks in the east, and people here and government officials from ukraine tell me secretly, they say it will be a huge attack, and we need help, and why is it, and they ask me, specifically, because i m german, they ask me, why is your government not doing more? so, paul, you know, i played a brief clip from one of the people you spoke to today in borodianka, the woman who talked about her 78-year-old sister, that she said she was shot in the back when she was out trying
of a few individuals is also not consistent at all with what we re seeing and hearing. it seems like it was nan tire division or unit that was under orders to kill anyone they felt like, to teach these people a lesson, to show them how tough russian troops were because these russian troops were there for a long time. they were under heavy fire. they were losing the battle and presumably they were nervous about their performance. so, they were just killing anyone that they came into contact with. and unfortunately, as zelenskyy was telling the united nations, this is not an isolated incident. i think there s going to bow more buchas. we re going to discover more towns and villages where this is happening. and bucha has about 40,000 people in it. imagine what s happening in
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officials and their families. joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, steven piefr, the welcome perry fellow at stanford university and also with us, cnn global affairs analyst and time magazine contributor, kim dozier. welcome to you both. mr. ambassador, let me start with you. and as we learn more about bucha and the potential that there are other cities like this where we see these atrocities, president zelenskyy says that it s going to be hard to talk about peace when you see what s done. are peace talks really possible now with russia after what we re seeing? well, let me begin by saying the images that you see in bucha are absolutely horrific, but they seem to be part of a pattern. russia s indiscriminate shelling of mariupol, kharkiv, chernihiv without regard to where civilians are and i fear you re going to see more buchas because this kind of atrocity, this kind of brutality seems to be very fairly common practice with the russian military.
how many buchas are there? we are waking up to these scenes this morning, berman, that are just atrocious. we have seen so many terrible things coming out of this war. and just when you think it can t get any worse, you see what is happening there. and he is expecting this to be a trail across ukraine, almost like floodwaters receding and showing what is underneath as the russian troops have receded. we are going to see what they are leaving in their wake. . there is every reason to fear that. to get a sense where it might be, you can see the area in yellow. they have been able to push back in counter offenses. they are finding these bodies. you can see it in sumy, kharkiv. there has been success pushing b back as well. in all of these locations, ukrainians are coming back into control after a month of the russians occupying it and doing