in a very difficult situation. and even those who started the grassroots movement for democracy for better governance have lost their voice. they ve been squeezed out by the two military camps. and we are all focusing on them. and what i believe is required is really very serious attempt to get a political settlement, but that should begin with international community coming together, bridging differences and working with the countries who are also divided. and moving in to help the protagonists on the ground. kofi annan former secretary general of the united nations. winner of the nobel peace prize. the new book is called interventions, a life in war and peace which i thoroughly enjoyed. and would have read even if it was not my excuse to get you here on the show. thank you for being here. i appreciate it. thank you very much. we ve got the best new thing in the world coming up that will make you very happy. it makes me happy. that s next.