burisma. you can make, i think, the argument there was a potential conflict of interest there in what joe biden was doing because of his son s involvement with the company that shokin was investigating. sandra: this is president meeting with western hemisphere leaders about venezuela. secretary of state pompeo there at the intercontinental in new york city. the new york times did a big write-up of this burisma issue and hunter biden. just recently they repriseed everything, what we know and what we don t know. one of the things that they came out with was that the owner of burisma, the ukraine oligarch, was pleased that shokin was taken off the case because that prosecutor was using essentially bribing burisma and essentially pressuring them. so there was a benefit to that