when they know it s wrong? sometimes, it s easier to side with the dominating bully and harder to side with the person in this case, who is accused of breaking the code by going public. i think this is a real test for the nfl. think about the message this is sending to high school kids and their coaches about the kind of team behavior we should be evaluating. if it s richie incognito who emerges from this as the one who has the defenders in the sports world, then what does that say about kids who are being hazed and harassed on their team and come forward and ask for help. do you think you would have said something? 100% because i said from the rookie responsibility to where it led, you say hey, lay off this kid. he s going to have to help us when he s a second round pick. let s try something else. have you been in those situations? 100%. both sides. i ve been in there when they re taping rookies, a guy stripped down to his jock strap, all
i really couldn t answer that question. well, i guess the question is are they mostly violent groups and do they need to be outlawed? how do law enforcement deal with it? there s good and bad in every club. there s good guys that want to do it right in hell s angels and bandidos. then you ve got the criminal element. it s opportunity to work with folks that have the same thing in mind, drugs and whatever motorcycle theft, whatever goes hand in hand with that. well pat matter and chris authors of the book breaking the code. fascinating insights. more to be learned. to be continued. thank you both so much. thank you. thank you. and we have new developments in the amtrak train derailment that killed eight passengers a week ago.