today with the computers, you press a button, you get brilliant computer geek who knows what they re doing and all of a sudden, everything is exposed. this wouldn t happen 15 years ago, ten years ago. we are on a very you talk about the cyber wars and everything else. we are on a very weak platform and it s very, very disconcerting. i sort of like to go back to the old days where you would write numbers down on the back of an envelope. brian: or put a cup next to a wall and see if you can hear the other room. gretchen: apparently that s how he rose through the ranks of the c.i.a. and also to this latest job because he didn t even graduate from high school, but he was so good in computers. i want to mention that there are politicians who are saying two major terrorist threats were thwarted as a result of these efforts, but you have to put that in perspective that the boston bottomer was not captured in this way. what do you make of the fact