now, i don t think i m going to bridge too far. this is serious stuff from the stand standpoint of the secrecy. there s no difference between cooking the books on intelligence to go to war or cooking the booing books and keeping trade negotiations secret and we have to rely on wikileaks instead of the white house to find out what the heck is going on when it comes to american jobs. or maybe that doesn t matter. joining me tonight, lisa johnson, head of the investment law and policy at the columbia center of sustainable investment. and genevieve woods, senior contributor with the daily signal with us tonight. genevieve, how do you defend the secrecy here? your thoughts? well i think this is a trade agreement. there are trade agreements that will eventually come before the congress. respectfully, if you re not going to defend the secrecy, then what would you say about it? what i think we re talking about here is something in most