we are back with sally yates, former acting attorney general of the united states and before she was the deputy acing attorney general of the united states which all of us in america now have a much greater appreciation of as a position. do you feel that rod rosenstein who is deputy attorney general because of jeff sessions being recused from the russia matter, he is overseeing is the mueller investigation and other things in the russia matter, do you feel like he is insulated enough in his position in terms of undue influence? from the administration? if you were still in his shoes, what kind of protections would you want people pushing for? that s one of the things has worried me. that so many people are focused on insuring bob mueller isn t fired. we need to be equally sure that rod rosenstein isn t fired either. he really has the ability to control the special counsel s investigation in terms of
what kind of protections would you want people pushing for? that s one of the things has worried me. that so many people are worried about bob mueller isn t fired. we need to be equally sure that rod rosenstein isn t fired either. he really has the ability to control the special counsel s investigation in terms of significant step that s are taken. he has to approve those. in terms of information that might to go congress. in terms of information that could be publicly released. so if you want a back doorway to try to choke the life out of the special counsel s investigation, would you replace rod rosenstein with someone whom you can control. and i think he has done a very good job so far of ensuring that this investigation is going where it needs to go. that they re going to follow the facts and the evidence and that bob mueller has the running room that he has to be able to get to the bottom of this really important questions. people need to focus on making sure that he isn t fir
presidential interview it will be limited in scope and scale. bob mueller isn t saying that but rudy giuliani s audience isn t the courtroom, it s the court of public opinion and his audience he believes at the end of the day mueller will write a report that will get to congress and be made public. congress will have to make a decision on impeachment proceedings, if rudy applies pressure to the voters they answer to, that may change the equation. let me bring you and maggie haberman s reporting into the conversation as well, peter. the reason the president of the united states had to stand on that 18-acre complex and answer a question about whether or not being a porn star is honorable is because rudy giuliani said in israel that it wasn t and the president sought out stormy daniels as a sexual partner so we re having this conversation because this is someone the president invited into hiss world. what do you think the president s degree of awareness
of mccarthy by the senate, 35% of the country was still with mccarthy. 45% of the country right now, more or less, is with trump. i just think that this ferocity of the batting, the ferocity of what giuliani is doing. the ferocity of the tweets by president trump, that attempt to delegitimize the investigation, all suggest that they are fearful ultimately of what that truth will be. jim, the ferocity that jon is talking about, is the trees. do you think we re missing the forest is that bob mueller isn t just an iceberg, but an underground village. we have no idea what is going on down there, and it could very well be that he s farther along and more people ensnared in his net and there may be some casualties along the way who don t deserve to be outed by nunes, and the republican lemmings in the house. think michael would know this better than anyone. if you think about the coverage,
last couple of weeks, it seems that rudy giuliani makes the problems worse. right. and i don t think you want be that from your lawyer. i don t know how much rudy giuliani is getting paid, but i m not sure he s worth the money. in terms of making interesting television, he does do that. it does seem, michael steele, to be a bit of a disconnect talksing about this tv watching president. bob mueller isn t going to end up potentially finding something that would condemn this president on tv. no, i mean, he doesn t need better surrogates, he needs a better set of facts. there is no indication here bob mueller is fiendishly tuned into fox news or other any other cable news channel to see any argument that vindicates the president from a television lawyer. everything we re seeing publicly ought to scare the hell out of people in the white house and around the president. 20 times he s talked about the michael cohen raid. you covered clinton when he was under siege. what s it like be