benefit of the investigation is in the sense that we re trying to get documents from witnesses before they come and testify so that we can ask the witnesses about that. and when we haven t received the documents in advance, we do sometimes postpone the witness interviews. we also are trying to take into consideration the equities that bob mueller has. and the order in which he may want witnesses to come before either his investigation or ours. so we re doing our best to coordinate. i think logically, an investigation tends to bring in the less significant witnesses first. the more significant witnesses later. but as you can tell, a lot of competing equities here including the equity of the public that has a great desire to know, a need to know. and so i don t think it s accurate to say we re stalled. in fact, we re progressing, although we re less public about what we re doing certainly than what the senate is doing. if i was to ask you if paul manafort has been having conversations
this is a group at the white house that s to some degree under siege from parts of the country. how do you as a prosecutor figure out where the truth really lies? let me ask you this way, how does bob mueller figures out where the truth lies? it s not just about mueller, i would say it is the senate intelligence committee, all the voters who need to know the truth before they vote in 2018. but you have to just find somebody who s willing to tell the truth. and in the cast of characters we have here so far, i m not sure we ve seen someone who knows the truth, who understands the facts are facts. and that they have to tell those. but i think that with the staff that bob mueller has, he will get down to the truth, and that eventually much like in watergate, there will be someone who will crack. it may take a while, but eventually people will see that their own best interests require that they come forward and tell the truth. and we may find that there are
that is a bill deal. but i still think for most americans it still comes back to we know why putin wouldment to have this influence. the question has always been yes, but would the trump campaign actually collude with them to do something. look, we still don t have the answer to this. i don t think the four page e-mail is going to give us legal el it s still not clear. but to eugene s point, we are only seeing four pages of e-mails. what bob mueller has, what the congressional committees have who are investigating this, they ve got a whole lot more that we don t know anything about. now, maybe it may be exculpatory and this is going to lead to no legal election. it s a long road to espn age. you picked up the papers this morning you don t pick up the papers, but you go through. before i fell asleep and i saw plit co, jared kushner complaining about the white house not happening and somewhere else trump s legal team complaining about not getting paid. i mean, it seems like the
thing does keep coming up. that s a talking point we heard from sebastian gorka, et cetera, et cetera. this isn t true. what we know is the dnc specifically denied it. of course they re going to deny it. no intelligence agency has actually said that this was true. there are no facts about this, unlike the russia situation where there are facts. my issue is actually a bigger point which is, let s not assume that what we have seen today on this russia investigation, the few e-mails from donald trump junior, is all bob mueller has. you re saying a dnc consultant didn t go to the ukrainian embassy and sit down and try to get information on president trump and members of his campaign in an effort to influence the election? you re saying that did not happen? what i m saying is the dnc did not do that. there s no evidence at all
ear. the fbi had not seen the e-mails before he released them? reporter: we are told the fbi was not aware of the meeting before this came out this weekend. that s one of the things interesting about this. they already had enough information from intelligence sources that indicated some suggestion of collusion or coordination, which is why they have been investigating this for about a year. it s interesting to me that even without this new information, they already had something significant that caused the investigation. fascinating stuff. evan, thank you so much. anything else you get, please jump on. appreciate it. paul, what do you make of that? we don t know exactly what bob mueller has, what the fbi has, if he has these e-mails or not. it came as a surprise, it appears to the republican congressmen on the house intelligence committee that we spoke to. it seems like that was the first time he was hearing about this when don jr. released this.