okay. this one s going on the mantle. sandra: horrifying case in pennsylvania sparking a legal debate. 35-year-old woman charged with pushing her ex-boyfriend, an army veteran, to suicide. john: allegedly harassed him with a series of whatsapp messages and videos, destroying his things, talking about her new partner and threatening to keep him from ever seeing his daughter again. sandra: may remind you of michelle carter, 17 years old when she was charged with pushing her boyfriend to take his own life. carter eventually went to prison. will the same thing happen this time? welcome back as america reports rolls into hour two. sandra smith on this thursday afternoon in new york. john: john roberts, good to be with you again. no debate the messages are heinous, the big question is, are they criminal? our legal panel will be here to debate it. we will kick things off with this fox news alert. sandra: a gruesome scandal unfolding at one of the country s top medical sc
let s bring in mark and bob. mark, to you first. this is a case where the district attorney says that she drove her ex-boyfriend to suicide, that she basically aided and abetted in the suicide. take a look at some text messages and we will, they certainly are heinous, but do they amount to a crime. when you take a look at them, and if it s true, i have no reason to doubt it, it is heinous is a perfect word, atrocious is a perfect word. if this were a civil case on the basis of his estate suing, i could see the liability there. i just have real hesitation as to whether you can attach criminal liability for manslaughter presumably here or some other type of felony crime because i think at a certain point there is the argument
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mentally or that he was suicidal in what she says, bob, do you think that that would be key to this case, that if roich knew he had suicidal ideations and she was pushing him over the edge? yeah, absolutely. it s very, very important as to what her motive is. in this particular case it does not look good for her. she is literally telling him to commit suicide and then saying horrible things about not only her relationship with him, sending sex tapes over. and the biggest thing, i want you to kill yourself, your daughter will never see you again, somebody else will be calling daddy, she knew he was in an emotional state and that criminalizes the conduct. that took it over the line. john: well, it s it s a really stunning case here that we ve got, and something we will keep watching. great to have two high powered attorneys like you two weighing in on this as well.
is going to be that there could have been a number of circumstances of the fact that he was suicidal preexisting is something that arguably would break the chain. so, it s a tough, it s a tough case to look at. i certainly don t second guess the d.a. for bringing it. but i have my doubts as to whether there is criminal liability. john: we saw a photo of kevin metzger and his daughter on his back, he and roich had this child together and what she allegedly texted him in one of her texts. i hope for the child s sake that you do kill yourself. she would be better off not even knowing you. she also told him that she would have sex with her new boyfriend on mother s day while your daughter calls him the new boyfriend daddy. bob, by bob, what do you say