afghanistan, they weren t coming back they had been defeated. this is the core of afghanistan, the core of al qaeda, rather, and they were on the back foot out of the country. now we hear them as being a threat. one of the reasons fighters are coming over from pakistan where they ve been hiding out in pakistan, the pakistan army is clearing out some of the areas with militants. you have some of the groups in pakistan splitting up, becoming more radical. some of them coming over and joining isis. these threats, part are coming over from the border. part are beginning to exist here because they ve got more space to exist because the afghan government without the support of all the u.s. forces here on the ground have seated territory these groups are taking advantage of to grow. nic robertson, thank you very much in kabul tonight. former cia operative bob bay baier. bob, you have not been this
on 15 years. thousands of americans died. countries in greater turmoil than before. more terrorists than there were before. you re not surprised isis is growing so powerful. i m not really. bee said for a long time this is going to be a long war, possibly a generational war. nobody ever expected that soon after 9/11 that this strain of radicalism and terrorism was going to be wiped off the battlefield any time said. we said inside afghanistan and iraq that we ought to be prepared for years and years of struggle. walking away from it is not an option. not an option, but staying in has proven to be a tough option. bob, general campbell says keeping american troops in afghanistan is necessary. he is changing the view. this president says he is going to take the troops out. campbell says he needs troops to stay. in you think to fight this war which you view as a regional
providing counterterrorism support, training support and advisors on the ground, but i think the americans would not stand for a million troops on the ground and i don t think it will take that much. it may take a million local forces doing the fighting. we need to support them, but i don t think it will take a million americans to help with that. final word, bob. the problem is the locals. i don t trust them. i don t trust the afghans. the afghans caused that raid in kunduz against the hospital, bad information. we have no allies in iraq we can trust. the shiia government we can t. same way with yemen and syria. we train four or five people, locals? they will be wiped off the field. we have no allies in that part of the world we can trust. thanks very much to both of you, a very sobering conversation. learning new details about the oregon shooter including that much like the sandy hook shooter, he and his mother knew a whole lot about guns. plus marco rubio with one of