a coconspirator to it, indicted or not. pence knew trump had plans for a bloodless coup. that s what it would have been if they worked this all out through all that paperwork and fraud. with lawyers and these government hacks trying to take over. and within a few hours, pence knew trump fomented and embraced a bloody coup. as trump fans literally attacked the government, staged an insurrection, now-convicted sedition, and publicly demanded and worked toward the assassination of then vice president mike pence. hang mike pence, hang mike pence! stop and take it all in, we lived through that. as of last week, no one in government, nobody at the top had been even bothered about it. let alone indicted about it. that all just changed this week. so if you feel that, if sometimes you kind of stop and you take a breath and you get
concerned because mike pence is the last piece in the puzzle. he is the one who was the object of the former president s attempt to storm the capitol with an angry mob when it turned out mike pence wouldn t do his bidding and basically carry out a bloodless coup. all of the conversations between the president and vice president who were in office at that time are going to be fair game for the prosecutor. the special prosecutor had mike pence in there before the grand jury all day yesterday. he wasn t taking the fifth amendment because he doesn t have any criminal exposure. he wasn t invoking his special role as president of the senate because the courts had already rejected the claim that that special role entitled him to stay silent when it came to
impeachment. professor tribe, the historical significance certainly of former vice president testifying under a president he served under is hard to overstate. how concerned do you think president trump should be about this? he ought to be very concerned because mike pence is the last piece of the puzzle. he is the one who was the object of the former president s attempt to storm the capitol with an angry mob when it turned out mike pence wouldn t do his bidding and basically carry out a bloodless coup. all of the conversations between the president and vice president who were in office at that time are going to be fair game for the prosecutor. the special prosecutor had mike pence in there before the grand jury all day yesterday. he wasn t taking the fifth amendment because he doesn t have any criminal exposure. he wasn t invoking his special role as president of the senate
the commission and what they find and if they found credible evidence of fraud that undermines confidence in the electoral results in any given state they would report on that. the shorter answer was who decides? well, if they re able to hijack it, they decide, not the voters, not the states, not the courts the definition of the losing party abusing power in government to steal an election even without violence is a coup. indeed, as you well know throughout history there are some coups that involve violence and some don t and they re sometimes called a bloodless coup or the bureaucratizing of the coup, and we have people in the senate right now when called out on this and reaffirmed on this and reiterated on the receipts, their response is, i did it and i already admitted it where do we go from here in
i think we all know was never a member of the legislative branch, what trump said to him in twisting his arm in the white house. when i last looked is not part of the capital. what did trump say two and then, in the lead up to january 6th to try to pressure him into a kind of bloodless coup, and then perhaps what 86. so this is a crazy argument i think it s one that is being augmented by another equally crazy separation of powers argument. i don t think that the chief judge of the district court down there, merrill howell will buy it for a moment. d.c. circuit is not gonna buy it and these delay efforts are not taking very much time anymore because it s so obvious that they are simply delay efforts. it s a raven political move. it s foolish. it s not gonna help him even i