people, not just cassidy hutchinson but alley alexander, the stop the steal organizer, brad raffensperger, and also steve mnuchin, who was treasury secretary, and in his transcript, he notes that they briefly discussed the 25th amendment, so you see there, so again, my conversations with secretary pompeo, it came up very briefly in our conversation, we both believe that the best outcome was a normal transition of power which was working and neither one of us contemplated in any serious format the 25th amendment. we should point out in secretary scalia s transcript, he denied conversations about the 25th amendment. but you i would love your legal analysis of both this conversation, whether it was serious or not about the 25th amendment, on top of trump saying, hey, blanket pardons for everybody. well, you know, jonathan, i think there are two different ways to lack at this, and tim hit the nail on the head with
mass-declassify documents. so, again, this is where we run into some of the same issues with the rest of the committee s investigation. they weren t quite able to penetrate every single barrier thrown up. and this is kind of a black box for them well, to that point, trump has promised pardons to capitol rioters if he was re-elected i wonder what you made in the revelation of one of the transcripts, the trump asked pat cipollone for blanket pardons for people involved in the capitol attack that was a pretty startling revelation, johnny mcatee, at the white house, at that point in time, was close to the president in charge of personnel at the white house, he testified about hearing that that trump had quoted blanket pardons for people involved in nonviolent actions on january 6th and the white house counsel pretty quickly shut that down.
that they briefly discussed th 25th amendment, and you see, they are still again m conversation with pompeo, it came a very briefly in our conversation we both believe the bull estelle come wasn t a transition of power which is working, and neither one of us completed in any serious forma the 25th amendment we should point out that i secretary scalia transfer he denied conversations about the 25th amendment but, he put all i would like your lega analysis of both thi conversation, whether it was serious or not about the 25t amendment, on top of trump saying, hey, blanket pardons for everybody? well, you know, jonathan, i think there are two ways t look at this tim hit the nail on the head with his remarks the fact that a large part o what we are seeing here is a person who was embattled wit the truth, does not want t face it, and is insistent upon using every means at his
he also talks about how the former president floated the idea of blanket pardons for people who participated. that idea was rejected by the white house counsel. the former position, according to this testimony, also floated the idea of blanket pardons for white house aids and officials, though the white house counsel said, nobody here as done anything wrong, they don t need them. so a lot of questions, and we are expected to get more later today. thank you for sifting through all of that paula reid, thank you. . kari lake is being forced to pay part of her opponent s legal feels. a judge reeled she must paid to katie hobbs. hobbs wanted lake sanctioned for her lawsuit, alleging voter fraud was to blame for her loss, but the judge denied that, saying lake s claims weren t groundless.
special counsel jack smith will have questions about what was going on in mark meadows fireplace. we re also learning about another white house aide, johnny mcintee who talked to the committee about trump s reaction and his anger toward vice president mike pence. what did he say to the committee? that s exactly right. we know the former president was not pleased with his vice president when he refused to block the certification but it was interesting in the testimony to kind of watch the evolution. he said that he overheard the former president pressing his vice president to, quote, do the right thing and then when he didn t he turned fast on pence in conversations would say, effing pence, effing pence that and also in the transcripts we learned more and builds on what we already knew about the extent people were seeking pardons or the former president was trying to hand then out. he says that the former president thought about potential blanket pardons for people who participated