dennis, is this a fatal blow to joe biden? i don t think so. i mean, he seems to have a strong support in the blacke community. i don t think that will disintegrate. he has the support of a number of major black leaders. but however, i hope lightning round that it does cause redirection to the issues of disparities that exist based on color in america. laura: debbie, is this kamala s time? will she rise above and beyond where biden hoped to be at this point? look, in politics as in life, only the strong survive. last night she was mightily strong. we have to see what goes. it was still one day. in politics, a week from now is like an eternity and you are talking about 2020. i think she has the momentum. if she can carry the momentum. biden looked weak. laura: you have to do more than memorize a choreographed hit. all the other guys have to