the problem is what do the governments of europe or the united states do about it. so far it s basically nothing. it s as though there s two levels of reality, martha. one level is yes, let the dissidents speak, show videos, people being biten up. meantime, in the real world level of the government, we re increasing our investment in china, increasing our trade with china. joe biden now has an unprecedented number of working groups going on with the chinese that meet in beijing. a huge backlog of legislation that does not pass in the house and senate. you have two levels of reality here. the passionate dissidents that have suffered and talk about the ccp as an evil entity and the real world where it s not only business as usual, president biden is improving our relationship with china just in the last month or two. martha: it s stunning. you put it in a perfect way. there s two levels. thank you to these dissidents