back and forth. he says, okay, i won t close the border down, but as he is traveling to a photo op at the wall turns to mcaleenan and says, you know, we ll just, you know, keep people out. we just won t let the asylum seekers in, any of the people that are trying to get in come in. just turn them away. the country is full. and he says to mcaleenan, if you return into any legal problems, i will pardon you. it was a part of this effort that he did for much of the last three years to kind of reach for extreme ideas to keep people out of the country. more than that, i mean, there are multiple incidents as reported in your book of the president essentially not viewing the law as a binding n constraint. he says do a thing against the law and people say that s not lawful and he basically doesn t care. right. i mean, they pushed back against him when things weren t legal, when they thought things weren t