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it. we talked about it a lot. he did want ukraine, but i said, you re not going into ukraine. he would never, ever have gone into ukraine. fact check, and i know it s an insult to facts to call it that indulge me for a second. of course trump did not rebuild nato. in fact, in 2018 he threatened to pull out of nato if they didn t pay up, like it was one of his golf courses. and regarding the claim that this would have happened wouldn t have happened during the trump administration, trump thinks it s a fact, it ain t. one of our next guests says it is a discord and division that trump sowed and all the things we may not know about that allowed putin to feel as though he could launch this invasion in the first place. it s where we start the hour. lieutenant colonel alexander vinman is here, former director for the national security council and pete truck, counter intelligence agent. it s dicey to start with anything the ex-president says, but you cannot ignore that, as i

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