stephen caldeira is president and ceo of the international association that is seeking to overturn the seattle law saying they treat franchises unequality. makina howell is with the main street alliance. she s been the leader in getting the seattle minimum wage bill pass zed. great to see you guys. great to be back on, j.j., thank you. thank you. i want to step back a moment from the franchise, is it a big business or small business and talk about raising the minimum wage. makini, you worked hard to get this bill passed. why is it so important? i always believed in raising the minimum wage. we need a living wage. $9 an hour is not a living wage, neither is $7 or $2, the federal tip wage. none of us here sitting here debating this would accept that.