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Position finish. [inaudible] the fifth element is reasonableness. Everything you do in acting in selfdefense has to be that of a reasonable and prudent person, and you have to have actually yourself believed it was necessary to act in selfdefense. The five elements, innocence, imminence, proportionality, reasonableness [inaudible] what is stand your ground doing . All stand your ground does is take away one of those elements, the avoidance element. You no longer need to seek an avenue of retreat before you can act in this selfdefense. Whats left in place . Everything else. Innocence, imminence, reasonableness and proportionality are all still in place. Its not some mysterious mechanism the nra pus in plait. Put in place. Stand your ground is exactly the same as the oldfashioned selfdefense except for that one element of avoidance. So if you live in a stand your ground jurisdiction and you act in selfdefense, what do you still need to be able to prove . You were the innocent person, you

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