were skilled at translating his impulses into legible stances on key issues and perhaps more importantly at keeping all the relevant white house and agency staffers in the loop on big decisions. well, with us to talk about it tonight, we welcome to the broadcast the co-author of that piece, nancy cook. also with us, jonathan allen, nbc news national political reporter. he is co-author of shattered, inside hillary clinton s doomed campaign, which comes out in paperback on may 1st. same great content, less to carry. so we welcome both of you. nancy, how big encapsulize your reporting for us in this way. how big a moment is this right now as we speak? well, this is a big moment of transition in the white house. there s just a number of key top staffers that have left in the last few months, and it just means that there s fewer people to, as you said, keep people in the loop on policy decisions.
paperback on may 1st. same great content, less to carry. so we welcome both of you. nancy, how big encapsulize your reporting for us in this way. how big a moment is this right now as we speak? well, this is a big moment of transition in the white house. there s just a number of key top staffers that have left in the last few months, and it just means that there s fewer people to, as you said, keep people in the loop on policy decisions. and we saw that with the u.n. sanctions. michael anton, who is the national security council spokesperson resigned. he wasn t in the loop too. perhaps he could have kept nikki haley abreast of a very fluid decision-making process on the sanctions. we ve just seen a number of other people who have left. rob porter, who was the staff secretary, who would have double this. gary cohn, and then hope hicks, who is one of the president s trusted aides. so it s just this big vacuum of
about what people have said and then there s trump s actions. so i think it is a moment. i don t know how big a moment it is. the bannon part will pass. trump being president and having behaved the way he s behaved. and the way in which they re closest, that will be harder to overcome. the bannon part will pass but none of this will pass for at least a couple days. presumably tomorrow, news will be made by wolff himself who will give his first interview and then we ll see if steve bannon makes good and whether or not he pushes back on what s in this book. this will run through the weekend. everybody will be at least in this part of the country, sitting at home, not leaving their houses. they ll be snowed in watching this drama. no question about it. but i think that piece of tape you showed makes my point. steve bannon is not independently important. his importance in this situation is derivative of president trump s campaign and his presidency. so the idea that steve bannon is
leaders to sha s save c.h.i.p. house and senate negotiators are trying to come to some kind of a deal as far as budget talks to overt a government shutdown. and we re also inching closer to final passage of the $1.5 trillion republican tax cut plan, that will also be the end of the obamacare individual mandate that requires everybody to have health insurance. here is how politico describes it, the stealth repeal of obamacare. and axios says as important as the passage of republicans tax overhaul is for tax policy, this is as big a moment in the life of the aca. remember another big moment, it came 5 1/2 years ago and pete williams brought to you live during this hour on msnbc after running back from the courtroom. reporter: the bottom line here is the supreme court has upheld the health care case. they have said that it can t be upheld under the commerce clause, the individual mandate
that s right, that s it right there. that is from nasa television, we are down to something like a sliver and that s it. i feel like i should put my glasses on. as i write up from our brain room, i learned that when the whole sun is covered, if the whole thing is covered, the whole dang thing, you can look at it because it s covered. much like my phone analogy from earlier. you can t see it so you can look up at it. look at this, it s coming close. this is from nasa tv, down to a little sliver of sun. but there it is and we are getting to that big a moment when the sun is gone. and as a result, i am thinking are you guys good over there? everybody could? most of them are millennials and