and american rescue plan and my grandiose agenda and transform the country. white house aide were telling the press we like it he is being seen as more transformational as president obama. during eight years of president obama and vice president biden, i think there was tension between the two staffs. the staffs of the president and the staffs of the vice president. and now all of those people who were the staff of the vice president, ron klain et al are now the staff of the president. they like the idea of him being seen as more transformational and more aggressive, more liberal, more in tune with the left of the democratic party trying to make big transformational changes than president obama. dana: do you think the tension is between the current west wing staff and the current vice president s staff? i think there is tension but i think it might be for a different reason. it might be because they think she has been an utter disaster on every major assignment she has given her an
polarizing as donald trump and instead as we saw the infrastructure bill where he signed with the progressives and postponing a vote on the bill he govern from the left is and that your view part of the explanation? absolutely is not the only part that absolutely there are two other things that go along with it he did not prepare people for this, the message in the campaign president trump is bundling the covid response and i m going to do better and i will restore normality in doing so, the rest of the stuff little hint of a here and there but not the kind of thing that you would do if he were running a campaign based on the big transformational changes in government, the third thing let s be honest he s been incompetent certain instances he s incompetent handling the board he has yet to go to the border when, here is who is in charge of the border went there she went to a site about a hundred miles away from where the real action is happening,
a guy who routinely steps on his staff s attempts to direct them towards these big transformational changes that she claims she wants to make by bringing it back to the personal and petty grievances and constantly referencing the electoral college victory. martha: the question becomes can you separate yourself from that at some point? i think the swamp is very real. katie, you talk about when i think about this long investigation but it looks like we are on the cusp of, washington loves a long investigation. expensive, it employs a ton of lawyers. it s just going to keep feeding on itself because it feeds the swamp. it right, these investigations are the epitome of what we call this town here in washington, d.c. i think that ivanka is also referring to the pushback from the intelligence agencies, all of the leaking that we are seeing, left over obama political appointee is trying to